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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a very seasoned professional driver with almost two million miles logged, not including off duty miles, I am more than certain that my experience trumps the studies that are usually loaded to lean one direction or another from the beginning and done by experts in mathematics and not on what ever the subject of the study is about.

The ability to talk on a hands free device, as opposed to hand held is a major plus. I do not care what anyone says, holding a hand set is very, VERY, much more distracting than talking into a headset. Any driver can pay attention to the road as they talk and treat the conversation as what it is,of secondary importance. Drive, be attentive to your driving, don&#039;t feel that you are being rude by pausing conversation to apply yourself, your attention and your reflexes to your driving as needed.

Studies have also concluded that the human mind most definitely has the capability to do more at one time than just drive safely. It is very simple to make the driving top priority, but one can also carry a simple conversation if they posses the simple self discipline and rational thinking abilities that we are born with.

Prioritize, be attentive, shut out the conversation as needed and you will be fine.

The problem is more about hand held devices and texting or any other kind of input that requires you to take eyes off of the road. It is the eyes and mind that must stay on the road. Is it illegal for one armed or one handed drivers to drive? NO!
  
Is it absolutely possible to drive safely and carry a conversation for a sane, responsible individual? YES! Do some people whine about any and every thing? YES? Do governments dream of having more opportunities to get into our personal lives and apply control there? well, DUH!
The law is about control and revenue as much as it is about safety. I agree that many people are unsafe as they mess around on their phones while driving, these same people are unsafe when they do ANYTHING other than driving -- while driving, some people are simply idiots. The DRIVER is the issue, not the phone!!!!!

When did they quit teaching us to think in school?

Why do so many people look at everything in such a backward fashion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a very seasoned professional driver with almost two million miles logged, not including off duty miles, I am more than certain that my experience trumps the studies that are usually loaded to lean one direction or another from the beginning and done by experts in mathematics and not on what ever the subject of the study is about.</p>
<p>The ability to talk on a hands free device, as opposed to hand held is a major plus. I do not care what anyone says, holding a hand set is very, VERY, much more distracting than talking into a headset. Any driver can pay attention to the road as they talk and treat the conversation as what it is,of secondary importance. Drive, be attentive to your driving, don&#8217;t feel that you are being rude by pausing conversation to apply yourself, your attention and your reflexes to your driving as needed.</p>
<p>Studies have also concluded that the human mind most definitely has the capability to do more at one time than just drive safely. It is very simple to make the driving top priority, but one can also carry a simple conversation if they posses the simple self discipline and rational thinking abilities that we are born with.</p>
<p>Prioritize, be attentive, shut out the conversation as needed and you will be fine.</p>
<p>The problem is more about hand held devices and texting or any other kind of input that requires you to take eyes off of the road. It is the eyes and mind that must stay on the road. Is it illegal for one armed or one handed drivers to drive? NO!</p>
<p>Is it absolutely possible to drive safely and carry a conversation for a sane, responsible individual? YES! Do some people whine about any and every thing? YES? Do governments dream of having more opportunities to get into our personal lives and apply control there? well, DUH!<br />
The law is about control and revenue as much as it is about safety. I agree that many people are unsafe as they mess around on their phones while driving, these same people are unsafe when they do ANYTHING other than driving &#8212; while driving, some people are simply idiots. The DRIVER is the issue, not the phone!!!!!</p>
<p>When did they quit teaching us to think in school?</p>
<p>Why do so many people look at everything in such a backward fashion?</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 08:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People get distracted even talking to their passengers as well.
They&#039;re driving abilities become overbearing for those right
behind them.  And what if you have to make a call?  Those hand-free
trying to dial a number can be distracting as well.  I think people should just pull over and make a call if it&#039;s that necessary and tell family not to expect you to answer the phone right away.  That would be the most sensible thing to do.  Nobody needs to be talking on a phone while driving.  They can&#039;t help guide you like a passenger can if they&#039;re paying attention which they should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People get distracted even talking to their passengers as well.<br />
They&#8217;re driving abilities become overbearing for those right<br />
behind them.  And what if you have to make a call?  Those hand-free<br />
trying to dial a number can be distracting as well.  I think people should just pull over and make a call if it&#8217;s that necessary and tell family not to expect you to answer the phone right away.  That would be the most sensible thing to do.  Nobody needs to be talking on a phone while driving.  They can&#8217;t help guide you like a passenger can if they&#8217;re paying attention which they should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across a cop today on the highway - jumping from lane to lane - no signals several times - watching for people who may or may not be talking on their cell phones. She kept pulling up beside people to check if they were talking on hand held cell phones or blue tooth.  By jumping from first, second and to third lane, and putting on her brakes to come up beside people - she almost caused an accident herself!
She finally caught someone with a cell phone in their hand and pulled them over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across a cop today on the highway &#8211; jumping from lane to lane &#8211; no signals several times &#8211; watching for people who may or may not be talking on their cell phones. She kept pulling up beside people to check if they were talking on hand held cell phones or blue tooth.  By jumping from first, second and to third lane, and putting on her brakes to come up beside people &#8211; she almost caused an accident herself!<br />
She finally caught someone with a cell phone in their hand and pulled them over.</p>
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		<title>By: Reow</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>Reow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next they will ban the use of indicators, windscreen wipers and headlights for fear that remove a finger from the wheel will lessen your driving skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next they will ban the use of indicators, windscreen wipers and headlights for fear that remove a finger from the wheel will lessen your driving skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-1288</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These studies about driver distraction provide valuable, yet scant, illumination.  Broader studies of task distraction show that it matters a great deal the content of the distraction, as well as group awareness of the cognitive landscape.  

When I sit in the passenger seat--as an experienced driver myself--I&#039;m usually as attentive to traffic and road conditions as the driver.  Not having my own set of mirrors is a bit of a handicap, but to offset this, I can perform a 5 second shoulder check and not lose my lane.  When the passenger is paying the same attention as the driver, the conversation naturally shapes itself around cognitive load.  The driver doesn&#039;t need to signal a pause.  Often it&#039;s the passenger who senses the upcoming lane change, and initiates the pause.  The passenger can afford to devote considerable mental resources to discourse management.   Discourse management is major subfield within linguistics, and not appreciated nearly as much as it should be, to the enrichment of marriage counsellors everywhere.  

What do studies have to say about the limit on how much can be communicated without any detectable loss in driver aptitude? I&#039;d be shocked if anyone has bothered to find out.  Who funds that?  One might even discover that an astute passenger can, in the best case, function as an anti-distraction.  No insurance company wishes to learn this.  

The cognitive burden boils over when the conversational partner falls short of full situational awareness.  This can be a child, or a distracted, restless, insistent adult.  Worse still if the conversation partner isn&#039;t even in the car: zero shared situational awareness.  Even so, if you&#039;re talking to sibling and you&#039;re not at cats and dogs over anything, the required silences during the driving activity will likely manage themselves through long familiarity.  

A hundred times worse, you&#039;re talking to your boss (managing up), a difficult subordinate (managing down), a client you need to impress (on the make), making social commitments you might later regret (double booking), or discussing any social nuance where clout matters (status conscious).  Managing our place in the social hierarchy is a full time job for our giant brains.  Lucky if we humans don&#039;t fall our tree branch trying to do two things at once.   Half the people who come into my coffee shop can&#039;t manage to close the door behind them on a cold October day if they&#039;re yammering with a chum on the way in.   Do you want these people out there driving cars?   With a phone?  

Definitely many accidents are caused by drivers who are in the wrong conversation at the wrong time.  If we&#039;re going to police this at all, the rule needs to be shallow.  It&#039;s not the cop&#039;s job to determine if your brain was preening, or not, in a particular exchange of words. 

I think it has to be up to the driver to judge the risk, because a lot of valuable economic activity happens on the road in the transportation and sales industries at very low accident risk.  There needs to be painful consequence on judging this risk badly: such as having twice as many points slapped on your license if you get into an accident (regardless of fault) while yammering on the phone.   We could also require cars to signal &quot;phone active&quot; with a rooftop warning light, to make it easier for the cops to pull someone over who isn&#039;t driving as well as they think they are.  Intrusive?  Any idea what&#039;s on your hard disk already watching your every move?  I thought not.  Trust me, Google knows.  

If it&#039;s the cop&#039;s discretion that bugs you, maybe it&#039;s time to give your jaw a rest already.  Do you have nothing at all in your mind to contemplate in solitude?  That&#039;s a sad state of affairs.  Too many people severed from their mobile phone yowl like someone&#039;s overdependent pet dog leashed outside the coffee shop by the same people who can&#039;t manage to close the door on the way out to their asphalt-coloured tinted-window antenna-laden SUV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These studies about driver distraction provide valuable, yet scant, illumination.  Broader studies of task distraction show that it matters a great deal the content of the distraction, as well as group awareness of the cognitive landscape.  </p>
<p>When I sit in the passenger seat&#8211;as an experienced driver myself&#8211;I&#8217;m usually as attentive to traffic and road conditions as the driver.  Not having my own set of mirrors is a bit of a handicap, but to offset this, I can perform a 5 second shoulder check and not lose my lane.  When the passenger is paying the same attention as the driver, the conversation naturally shapes itself around cognitive load.  The driver doesn&#8217;t need to signal a pause.  Often it&#8217;s the passenger who senses the upcoming lane change, and initiates the pause.  The passenger can afford to devote considerable mental resources to discourse management.   Discourse management is major subfield within linguistics, and not appreciated nearly as much as it should be, to the enrichment of marriage counsellors everywhere.  </p>
<p>What do studies have to say about the limit on how much can be communicated without any detectable loss in driver aptitude? I&#8217;d be shocked if anyone has bothered to find out.  Who funds that?  One might even discover that an astute passenger can, in the best case, function as an anti-distraction.  No insurance company wishes to learn this.  </p>
<p>The cognitive burden boils over when the conversational partner falls short of full situational awareness.  This can be a child, or a distracted, restless, insistent adult.  Worse still if the conversation partner isn&#8217;t even in the car: zero shared situational awareness.  Even so, if you&#8217;re talking to sibling and you&#8217;re not at cats and dogs over anything, the required silences during the driving activity will likely manage themselves through long familiarity.  </p>
<p>A hundred times worse, you&#8217;re talking to your boss (managing up), a difficult subordinate (managing down), a client you need to impress (on the make), making social commitments you might later regret (double booking), or discussing any social nuance where clout matters (status conscious).  Managing our place in the social hierarchy is a full time job for our giant brains.  Lucky if we humans don&#8217;t fall our tree branch trying to do two things at once.   Half the people who come into my coffee shop can&#8217;t manage to close the door behind them on a cold October day if they&#8217;re yammering with a chum on the way in.   Do you want these people out there driving cars?   With a phone?  </p>
<p>Definitely many accidents are caused by drivers who are in the wrong conversation at the wrong time.  If we&#8217;re going to police this at all, the rule needs to be shallow.  It&#8217;s not the cop&#8217;s job to determine if your brain was preening, or not, in a particular exchange of words. </p>
<p>I think it has to be up to the driver to judge the risk, because a lot of valuable economic activity happens on the road in the transportation and sales industries at very low accident risk.  There needs to be painful consequence on judging this risk badly: such as having twice as many points slapped on your license if you get into an accident (regardless of fault) while yammering on the phone.   We could also require cars to signal &#8220;phone active&#8221; with a rooftop warning light, to make it easier for the cops to pull someone over who isn&#8217;t driving as well as they think they are.  Intrusive?  Any idea what&#8217;s on your hard disk already watching your every move?  I thought not.  Trust me, Google knows.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s the cop&#8217;s discretion that bugs you, maybe it&#8217;s time to give your jaw a rest already.  Do you have nothing at all in your mind to contemplate in solitude?  That&#8217;s a sad state of affairs.  Too many people severed from their mobile phone yowl like someone&#8217;s overdependent pet dog leashed outside the coffee shop by the same people who can&#8217;t manage to close the door on the way out to their asphalt-coloured tinted-window antenna-laden SUV.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fortin</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fortin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But some say that have a conversation with a passenger is ok but is that not a serious distraction if you are in a heated argument that requires you to think about your arguments.  If so when will the provincial governments of Canada ban talking to passengers while driving - since this is also a distraction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But some say that have a conversation with a passenger is ok but is that not a serious distraction if you are in a heated argument that requires you to think about your arguments.  If so when will the provincial governments of Canada ban talking to passengers while driving &#8211; since this is also a distraction!</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://handsfreeinfo.com/ontario-reins-in-handheld-devices/comment-page-1#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would love to see sigarettes banned behind the wheel</description>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texting at a red light usually results in the light turning green while the texter has no clue and the drivers behind the texter are wondering when that idiot is going to realize what planet he his on.

I think Ontario&#039;s law is well intentioned, but suffers from one serious problem: It is simply NOT possible to legislate stupidity from the human race. Accountability can be legislated into the law, but stupidity cannot be legislated out of the law.

Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texting at a red light usually results in the light turning green while the texter has no clue and the drivers behind the texter are wondering when that idiot is going to realize what planet he his on.</p>
<p>I think Ontario&#8217;s law is well intentioned, but suffers from one serious problem: It is simply NOT possible to legislate stupidity from the human race. Accountability can be legislated into the law, but stupidity cannot be legislated out of the law.</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: pcj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it matter that accident rates across Canada have been dropping for the last 20 years?
Or that all provinces already have a law covering driving without due care and attention.
What a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter that accident rates across Canada have been dropping for the last 20 years?<br />
Or that all provinces already have a law covering driving without due care and attention.<br />
What a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: You're exaggerating</title>
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		<dc:creator>You're exaggerating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/news/statements/stat081028-chart.pdf

You&#039;re over exaggerating the extent of the law. I suggest you read a summary of it, or read the law itself.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2009/elaws_src_regs_r09366_e.htm

Read the law before you start making stuff up.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re over exaggerating the extent of the law. I suggest you read a summary of it, or read the law itself.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2009/elaws_src_regs_r09366_e.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2009/elaws_src_regs_r09366_e.htm</a></p>
<p>Read the law before you start making stuff up.</p>
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